Words of Worth

Recently I’ve been thinking how I can make a few extra shillings from writing, other than penning a best seller and living in the lap of mediocrity. I figured I could write for online publications, magazines or review websites. I know my way around the English language fairly well, enough to crunch out short stories and enjoy working on my novel.

All hail the prophet Google and its wisdom. The all-knowing search engine brought up page after page of get rich quick schemes for budding writers but too many involved parting with cash in order to learn how to make the lovely money come rolling in. Hmm. That doesn’t seem quite right somehow. However I found one site that sucked me in with a slogan: “Don’t wander lonely as a cloud…earn money writing from home!”

Now you’re talking! Words of Worth is a UK based company that employs writers to pen articles which they sell to their clients. Who these clients are isn’t made clear but I suspect they can range from magazines and other printed media to online companies who don’t have the time or staff to do it themselves.

The subject of the articles is also a bit of a mystery as the writer doesn’t find out until they are given their first contract. Fair enough. I can live with a bit of mystery. The contracts are also a bit vague but WoW (Words of Worth) stipulate the number of articles can range from 10 (with an initial contract) to 80 per month, and an experienced writer can produce an average of 3 to 4 short articles per hour.

Now I’m interested!

The articles can range from 250 – 300 words on average but can stretch to a massive 500 – 700 words! But there is a catch, of sorts. The writer must be willing to give up all IPR (intellectual property rights) publishing rights, patent rights and all sorts of other rights. In essence the writer sells articles to WoW without being recognised for their work.

Could you live with that?

I would never consider giving away that kind of control where my fiction is concerned or my blog content for that matter, but these are tiny articles that seem to have satisfied other writers, if WoW’s Testimonials page is to be taken seriously.

I thought I’d throw an email in their direction and see what shakes loose. But wait. I couldn’t find any email address, contact number or geographical address either. Very odd. Then I found these in the FAQ section:

Why is there no telephone number or contact details on your website?

We used to have a telephone number, email and postal address on our website when we first started, however we found that we were snowed under with telephone calls and this took up so much time that it impacted on our work.

Is this site simply a way to get some free content from people?

It’s a strange world out there and there are some dodgy schemes going on, so we can understand why people may want to ask this question.

For those who do write for us regularly, it’s clear this isn’t the case but for those whose applications are unfortunately rejected, all we can say is that if all we wanted was some free content, then there are easier ways to get it and in most cases, it would be faster to write it ourselves. Much of what we receive by way of applications is not of a sufficient quality to be used, whether free or otherwise, so this wouldn’t be time- or cost-efficient.

Source: http://www.wordsofworth.co.uk/faqs

Er, and that’s the answer?

Just because you had a few pesky phone calls from people who ultimately want to make you money, you dumped your phone line in the bin? I find that a bit hard to believe. How can a business even hope to be taken seriously if they don’t have at least a PO Box or phone number connected to an answering service?

I wanted to believe this was a legit company because the idea of writing articles from home for money is very appealing. So I searched around for that red flag of bad news, stay away, this company is the devil in disguise sort of thing. But I didn’t find it. There were a few people in forums who have worked for WoW who have had no problems and speak highly of the company.

I know, I know. Naivety has no place on the internet. Those bits and pieces could have been written by ruthless money grabbers working for WoW to entice folk like you and I into their web of word prostitution. I’ve mulled it over and arrived at the conclusion that I’m going to use their form to make contact and see what they have to say, apparently you have to write a test article so they can evaluate your skill. There can be a waiting list of up to 4 months to become an article writer for WoW so I guess there’s plenty of time to give this serious thought.

My questions for you, dear blog reader, are thus:

Would you write for online companies like WoW? Have you had any experiences with this kind of thing? Is it worth the time for the payback? Oh, and would you give up all your rights to writing stuff like random tiny articles?

I’m most interested to know what you think – applaud my endeavours, slap me around the face for being sucked in or shrug your shoulders and talk about cute bunnies instead.

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56 thoughts on “Words of Worth

  1. You have been tagged!
    http://pigletinportugal.wordpress.com/2011/07/15/ive-been-tagged-blogger-tag-and-my-seven-links/

    I will see what I can find out for you re the above. Most people want something for nothing and you get a link back to your site in return. You can write content for websites – ie you research an agreed topic like moving to Greece and then payment I believe is by the number of words. There are a lot of writers on Linkedin and some work is advertised there. If you are interested in research work I may ahve a contact.

    cheers
    PiP

  2. Ever the skeptical one, I probably wouldn’t write for companies like this. I’m the type that needs to feel pretty convinced everything is on the up-and-up (ie a company with a phone line) before turning over my writing!!

  3. If the articles are for things like product reviews, parenting or travel and they are just that articles, than I might be tempted to write them and give away rights to them. The thing that would worry me is when you give up rights, is it just to that article, the way the words are arranged or the concepts behind it. Intellectual versus copy rights I suppose.

    • It’s a tricky on indeed, Billie, and I dare say plenty of people do this, and whilst it does intrigue me I can’t help but wonder how much of my integrity would I be prepared to give up for the sake of a bit of extra cash.

  4. I enjoyed your blog (and sense of humour) – I would be interested in exploring this a bit further – if I didn’t have to pay out any money upfront.

    cheers
    Lorraine

    • Thanks Lorraine and welcome! I’m in a strange situation where I simply can’t make up my mind, I’m usually quite decisive when it’s to making a choice, good or bad, but this has turned out to be a real head scratcher!

  5. Thank you for introducing this site. I needed something like this, and will definitely try it out. And yeah, I am okay in giving up my rights to my articles, unless I grow fond of them myself. =D

    • Hehe, I like the avatar of the dude holding the giant pen! I guess it depends how much you value your written work. I guess it must be possible to sell some of your research, ideas, writing etc but keep the good stuff back for yourself.

  6. Great post. Really got me thinking.
    And I think that my writing and I are inseparable. To say it differenty – when I write I sell myself. So I would rather write for no money on WordPress (for a while) and build up a name as a writer than write anonymously and never be known to write.

    On a practical level though:
    – 3-4 short articles an hour?
    – No contact details
    – Contributors that are in fact as ‘anonymous’ as you will become being used as references? Okay, prove you wrote the article…

    In short, I would not do it.
    Patience, hard work and a hell of a lot of luck is about the only way to secure good money as a writer in my opinion.

    • Sounds a bit too dodgy to be worth it really. After giving it more thought I’m not going to do it. Everything you said struck a chord, I’d rather work hard and keep my writing attached to me than sell it anonymously. Integrity and recognition for the work is more important than a few extra pennies in my pocket. Thanks Scribbla, your comment has brought my train of thought on this subject to a close. Words of Worth are worth nothing to me.

  7. “In essence the writer sells articles to WoW without being recognised for their work.”

    NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

    That is insane. I mean, I would love to earn money through writing but I would never give up my “IPR (intellectual property rights) publishing rights, patent rights and all sorts of other rights.”

    That’s my motivation for writing! To be recognized and appreciated by readers. Besides, everything that I wrote, even if it is a junk, are a part of me. It’s like an extension of me, an appendages. Selling your rights is not right. I’d rather do some hard labor than sell my works (no matter how badly written or junk it is–because that’s me, my writings are me).

  8. Dave, I have to agree with several of the others on this:

    1) an industry like writing (or singing, painting, other art – anything that is indeed an extension of who you are) grows from the attachment to your name just like many people like/prefer/have loyalty to a particular proven brand, e.g. Coca-Cola. People get to know you, like what you do and will continue to support you even in other avenues that flow forth from the way in which they got to know you – just like they will recognize a Coca-Cola sign just about anywhere and on anything. For example, if you’re like Will Smith – some people got to know him from ‘Fresh Prince of Bellair’. Many of his current supporters/fans followed a young man from there into his movie ventures, his music ventures and even the creative ventures of his children – all because they became acquainted with Will Smith and liked it. Now, if he had to write a book, or speak out for some important charity cause people will support/follow for the same reason. If it was anonymous… What would be the point? What he does (what many others do) cannot be separated from who they are – they are indeed selling their ability/knowledge/talent/(service if you will).

    2) our society has come a long way in educating people – not just in how to become smarter yourself, but the crooks / shady characters are also watching, listening and learning. Psychologically they are learning as much as anyone else what people want to hear – what is applauded by society – and, if you’re a good chameleon you will transform with changing times. Kind of like a car thief who make sure that he stays abreast the latest security systems that vehicles are manufactured with nowadays, because if he neglects to equip himself he might have to seize his thieving ventures. The same way crooks in the business world knows how to make all the right noises and those who believe whatever they’re told is easily fooled. In a world of millions they are enough to enrich a sly business crook. The things people will believe… and a clever crook knows that!

    3) Ever heard of “Don’t call us. We’ll call you.”? Yip, by the time you figure out that you’ve been worked over we’re long gone and you don’t know where to begin searching. Business relationships should be more transparent. It creates a sense of integrity and trust. Maybe also a little like playing poker. They are asking to see everyone’s cards while they hold theirs close to their chest. For me it speaks of a hidden agenda. It’s win-win or nothing. Unless you do it as charity, but you already said that was not your goal.

    I’ve been tricked by a few of the “work from home” tricks. I’ve seen the clever schemes and ways of putting it that they come up with because they’ve also discovered the clever people out there – the ones who call a spade a spade – the ones who are less gullible. And so one organization will tell you how they know that there are crooks out there and mention the tricks that are pulled and try to reassure you that they are different somehow – all awhile pulling the same wool over your eyes, perhaps just a different shade of the same colour. I’ve had a few instances where I’ve confronted them directly: “…so… in other words what you’re saying is…. ” I’ve even had the odd reply with – “yes, you would be correct.” Imagine that.

    I think if you want to be taken seriously you sometimes need to be head on, down right bloody honest and let it be whatever it is. At least you won’t be surprised later on. And, of course, ALWAYS TRUST YOUR GUT!! No peace, no go! (even if you can’t put your finger on the detail – which is anyway often more driven by curiosity than anything else, if you really think about it.)

    My feeling would be: put your cards on the table or we don’t play! Game over!

    • Thanks for your input, I’ve really valued what everyone had to say and whilst it did seem like a tempting offer I can’t bring myself to go ahead with it. Like you said about transparency, this company may well be legit but without things like contact details how can anyone take them seriously?

      The other thorn was the issue of surrendering my rights to any written material. I didn’t like that prospect one bit. I wouldn’t be opposed to writing for a charity, in fact I’d be honoured to do that.

      I’m grateful this rang alarm bells for plenty of people! That was enough to stop me signing up and potentially wasting my time and effort. I’ll stick to the regular kind of writing for now, unpaid but highly enjoyable!

  9. Hi

    I have read through all the comments and understand why you may be wary of applying. I have been writing for WoW for 2 years this month, and hope to carry on for a few more years. The work is not too demanding, and you receive guidance from the editors. You don’t have to accept a contract, but if you think you may struggle with a subject just ask-help is always available. The company is reliable and professional-I have always been paid on time, direct to my bank account. The work is varied with news, web copy, press releases and blogs. As long as you can work to a deadline and are reliable, you will be fine. I have tried writing for other places, but WoW are the only company that pays decent money on a regular basis.

    • Hi Linda, thanks for your comments. I guess what put me off most of all was the line in the T’s & C’s that mentioned any written work was owned by WoW and not the actual writer. I was tempted to overlook that but like a few people have said the writing is a part of me, and it seems unfair and unethical (to some degree) to not have my name attached to any piece of writing I have done. After all reporters and journalists get recognition for their work, so why should WoW wish to deny any writer working for them such a small token?

      That bothered me more than anything, and the fact that the lack of advertised contact details were because the company had too many phone calls and emails, and not enough time to reply. I’m willing to bet they lose a lot of custom because of that. Not displaying your contact information is a big no no these days if you want people to take you seriously.

      I’m sure WoW is a good company, but those 2 rather major factors put me off.

  10. I was looking at the WOW site a few minutes ago, and was also tempted to take their test (vanity).The fact that they have no contact details stinks to me.Also, why can’t they give even a guideline of how much they pay?AND, I read in the small print that you waive your right to complain about your work being treated in a derogatory fashion – something like that – it wasn’t very well written!

    • It does look appealing at the start, and you think, hey this is a great idea, but when you get down to it and read those little bits of small print you realise you have to give up a lot in order to risk making money from it. I decided I didn’t want to give that much up, and my creativity was worth more than a gamble.

      I guess it works for some people, but I do wonder how many are put off by the lack of contact information or concrete pay details and other worrying bits and pieces.

  11. Hi Dave
    I came across your blog while researching WoW myself. I signed up to them today and within minutes of sending off my application, received a request to write a sample piece. The return email address was something@hotmail.com, which didn’t really inspire confidence as a business email address, but I took the piece on (250 words, write a ‘news’ item for an ambulance-chaser site. It had to be factual).
    Like you, I did wonder if this is just a scam; they get loads of free articles for nothing, but I thought I’d give it a go anyway. At most I’ll lose half an hour of my time(the article was a re-hash of a newspaper story that I had to source) and the whole thing may be genuine.
    The lack of contact details is a worry though- and the story behind it just not very credible! I run a small tutoring agency in my spare time and know that the law states all companies must give contact details on their advertising etc. As I say though, they do contact potential writers by email, so there is an email address of sorts…
    I have looked for ages to find reviews of this company/ work etc. I have found three or four contributors to blogs who make favourable comments (including the one on here) but also think that they could have been written by someone from the company itself. I haven’t found anything negative yet!
    Oh well- my piece has been sent off now- I saved a copy first. From what I can see in the terms and conditions, they now have the right to use that ‘sample’ as they see fit and don’t have to pay me for it at all.
    Will update you as to what happens next…

    • Hey Val,

      Thanks for your comments. Interesting stuff. Makes me wonder if WoW manages to generate cash from all those “sample” pieces, whilst rejecting a certain percentage of submission but still profiting from them.

      I read a few reviews also, and couldn’t find anything negative, although there weren’t many articles to go on, like you I found very few. And yes, they could have been written by WoW or someone associated with the company.

      The crunch for me was the sort of intellectual property thing, if that’s the right term to use. I wouldn’t have minded if the T’s and C’s said the writer would be properly credited for their work, a simple sub line beneath the article like: “Source: Val Phillips, Words of Worth” would have been enough to twist my arm.

      I’d still like to know how your sample piece was received and if anything more comes of it because despite my suspicions it seems like a good way to earn some extra cash.

  12. Well, I wrote the little sample piece for them and now, about a month later, they contacted me to see if I’m seriously interested. I’m going to give it a go. I figure, at worst, I’ll write for them for a month and get stiffed. In that case, I’ll consider the writing practice…something we can never get too much of. I’m not concerned about the intellctual property thing if I’m being paid to write. Most employers expect to own the copy that writers on their staff produce. Lack of contact info? Well, I live in the States, so I probably wouldn’t be contacting them anyway.

    I’ll let you know how it goes a month or two from now.

    • Hi!

      I hope you enjoy writing for WordsOfWorth. I am still writing for them, and I have to say that I have learnt a lot from the editors. I have received support with different styles of writing and lots of praise as well as having constructive feedback for my work.
      My work load varies each month, as the editors try to supply me with the amount of work I can cope with. My pay goes into my bank account every month without fail, which is important to me.
      The work I do is for a client so I don’t expect to have my name attached to the work; I am happy being paid for what I do. The contact by email works perfectly well-the editors respond asap and aren’t inundated with phone calls which would stop them dealing with their work. I can completely recommend the company.

  13. I signed up for it, sent in my article for some health insurance site, and they actually just responded early today about it. I’m now on their waiting list and at first it was a light at the end of the tunnel for me. Now that I’m actually looking in depth at the site and what’s going on, I can’t say I’m wholly convinced. As of now, I’m on the waiting list. I’ll update you as soon as I hear different.

  14. Like yourself I have looked into Words of Worth and gone so far as submitting an application. What I don’t like, and have concerns about, regarding the contract is that as yet I have still no knowledge as to how much is paid out for one’s labours. Granted as of yet I have only scanned over the same day reply to my initial application but given all the other ambiguities a person might expect at least a modicum of clarity regarding payment.

    My reason for interest, in spite of the above paragraph, was not for financial reward so much as the challenge and recognition. Having once written the greater portion of a novel, only to lose it to a defective hard disk, the writing bug has never quite left me. Making time to
    accommodate this passion, however, has been quite a different matter and so I sought motivation. Proving to myself that I could have my writings published/bought, even on this level, might be the sign of encouragement required to then go on and achieve greatness.

    I am still undecided as to whether or not I shall undertake working contractually with Words of Worth but like yourself I looked for warnings etc and drew a blank. And whilst I feel certain that what they offer might be ideal for those who can write and would appreciate the extra income it would generate, for myself- a person more inclined to creative writings which do not necessarily always conform to or stay within the strict parameters of perfect grammar, I feel it simply might not be the outlet I need. But good luck with it anyway, should you give it a whirl.

  15. Ugh! And only NOW do I see your other replies. Great reading mind but I wish I had seen them prior to my own reply. That’s the trouble with viewing the internet via a mobile phone. 🙂

  16. Hi Dave

    I just wanted to respond to some of the comments on here if I may, as I’m one of the editors at WordsOfWorth. We have been going for a few years now and are based in the UK, and we have writers in many English speaking countries, such as the UK, USA, Canada and Australia. Some of our writers have been with us since the beginning, and we’re always recruiting new ones (particularly US based writers because of the differences between US and UK English) – and we have a great need right now for new American and Canadian writers.

    It’s also nice that some of our writers have already commented on here, thanks for that guys. We pride ourselves on our relationship with our writers and we always pay on time. If we didn’t, I’m sure the Internet would soon let the world know about it!

    In answer to some of the points raised on here:

    We do use a Hotmail address to communicate with applications at the moment. That’s because when we first set up everything was handled through Hotmail. For actual writing contracts we use an online CMS that writers have access to, and briefs are managed/completed through that. The Hotmail address is being phased out completely, and we hope to get rid of that in a few months.

    With regards to your comment Dave about having your name on articles, all of our content is owned by our clients as we supply it for their websites, as if it were written by them. Some companies insist on credit links with their content, we don’t. Therefore we can’t have WordsOfWorth or the writer’s name attributed to any content we write for clients.

    On the subject of payment, our pay rates vary depending in which country a writer is based, as we always pay writers in their own currency. We don’t advertise this rate on our website because of competitors, as there are a lot of companies doing a similar thing. While we don’t want to be price led, price is still a factor. All writers are offered briefs and informed of prices at the same time, so you won’t complete any work without knowing exactly how much you’ll be paid for it in advance.

    Hamish mentioned that our work might not be for him as he’s more into creative writing. This could well be the case as many of our briefs do require a less creative element. They tend to vary between web copy and news, and they always have an SEO element to them, with keywords being an important aspect. Grammar, punctuation and uniqueness are of the utmost importance with our briefs.

    I hope that’s answered a few of the concerns some people may have had.

    • Jake,

      Thank you for taking the time to make a comment and answer some of the questions.I hope my post didn’t come across and bitter or angry, more bemused and concerned. Initially I was very interested in Words of Worth, what a great concept. But as I said the fact there was no telephone number, postal address or legitimate email address rang a few alarm bells.

      I’m surprised that so many people took the time to post comments and my view of Word of Worth has indeed changed because of them. I see that despite my misgivings it seems writers for WoW are satisfied with their interactions with your company.

      I see where Hamish was coming from, and that for plenty of people the idea of their creative writing not being given the credit it deserves is too much to ask. However, Words of Worth isn’t technically asking for creative writing, fiction, but report writing. And there is a difference.

      I guess what put me off was how the website was portrayed. It looks good and is easy to use, well written and so on. But I wonder how many customers, writers etc, you lose because there’s a distinct lack of openness when it comes to communication.

      Using a CMS isn’t special. It clearly serves a purpose but maybe the directors, or marketing department at Words of Worth should reconsider how certain aspects of their business appear to potential writers. Look at it from a neutral point of view.

      Without a postal address or telephone number a lot of people will ask if it’s a genuine business. In the digital era these things are not as important as they once were, but as a business that surely has a bricks and mortar element, these basic things are what give visitors confidence in a business.

      It boils down to the mental model. Visitors to websites look for certain things – email address, phone number, postal address, home button, contact page, a menu bar. When even a few of these are missing it invites doubt. Any website that acts as the single point of contact can be as persuasive, encouraging and approachable as possible but without these fundamentals a lack of confidence is likely to occur.

      Once again, thanks Jake for making things a little clearer. Now I’ve had time to think about it, and after reading the various comments, I’m still intrigued with the idea. I wish you and anyone who submits their work the best of luck for the future.

  17. Hi
    I was reading your post & the comments with interest. I have been looking at taking up one of these writing offers myself, but my cynical side has not allowed me to take the plunge!
    Have you looked at any other similar sites to WoW? Can you make legitimate money?
    Any more advice on where to go?
    It would be interesting to know the progress of a few of those in your comments section who joined WoW.

    • Hey Dan. After reading the comments here I see that people do indeed make money from Words of Worth. I understand your cynical side and I guess you have to decide if you can enjoy being paid for your words without credit on the published article. Many can and do so it must work for them. There are other websites and companies that do something similar, try Googling “Writing for money” or “article writing for money” and other similar phrases.

      Best advice I can give is to search around, check the small print, understand where you stand and what sort of contract is offered. I can’t stress that enough, make sure you read all the terms and conditions before you do anything. Then all you have to do is submit a test piece or trial article and take it from there.

      At the very least, if you’re looking for this kind of work, it’s worth trying it out once. You never know, you might enjoy the rewards. Wish you the best of luck.

  18. Ahhhh, since the Dawn of Time, people with no ability, who have money or prestige (or, in this case, a website) have paid “lesser” but talented beings for work they can claim as their own…that, in itself, is not new. It’s a technique to generate sales and/or gain kudos. And the talented do comply in order to eat. I think it’s cheating, myself, but the world accepts it. Sometimes I do, too, Starving Artist I occasionally find myself to be.

    Although it’s problematic to not receive credit for your writing (ostensibly used to get more writing gigs) I assume you can tell potential credit-giving employers that you do work for WordsofWorth. This could prove helpful in getting deserved attention and aid in marketing yourself.

    I would try it, but since only one employee of any length responded, I would mark my “test” as Read Only. A connection of mine on LinkedIn just found her copy of a test all over cyberspace, used (probably lucratively) without any compensation…

    Giving up IPR for something like this is no problem for me. My short stories and novels, well, fuggitaboutit. Same goes for the woefully underpaid articles I seldom write for newspapers. Remember, most online content is simply informative, not Pulitzer material.

  19. Hi,

    I’m “S.C” one of the mystery writers who gave a testimonial – they asked us regulars if we could say something honest-but-nice when they rebuilt the web page. While I agree that not having a phone number is a nuisance, once you’e on the inside they DO send emails and I’ve even had them phone me.

    All submissions are done via their secure site now but when I first started with them it was even less professional – just hotmail.com!

    You can find the details here – http://www.companiesintheuk.co.uk/ltd/sheer-media

    I started working for them back in 2009 which is when they were first established, and since then I’ve done articles for many companies. I’d like to say that it was my work that saw them expand into Canada and Oz.

    The money isn’t brilliant but then internet copywriting never is, and they pay more than most though, of course, I don’t get paid for all the research I have to do beforehand. I’m happy – they’re the best I’ve found so far, with a nice friendly face and real human presence.

    • Sue, thanks for your comment. I’ve certainly changed my mind about WoW despite not wishing to work with them. It seems that they are legit after all and as such I must point out that I had to edit your comment slightly to remove their address and client details. I am known for being cantankerous and was tempted to leave them there, but since I’ve mellowed in recent years I felt it would be wrong to leave the comment unedited.

      Apologies to Words of Worth who have contacted me regarding the use of their address and the companies she has written articles for. I’m assuming you weren’t aware that under their Terms & Conditions anyone who writes for WoW are not allowed to cite the address or state details of who you’ve written articles for. I hope that’s true.

      Anyway, it’s nice to know that you’ve found a friendly face and a real human presence in a world of faceless internet only transactions!

  20. This conversation has certainly had a long shelf life!

    I want to add my two cents- or pence!- to the forum. I applied this evening and promptly received an automatically-generated, but apparently legitimate, response. I am being asked to go through the same application process as others have described, and I intend to follow through. I am not worried about the lack of public contact information or about my intellectual rights; I simply wish to establish some form of revenue from my ability to write.

    The only thing I wish I had seen, prior to submitting my initial application, is someone from this comment thread coming back to confirm the status of their success or failure to secure a legitimate position within Words of Worth. I will make the same commitment to return, and I do hope I’ll be able to provide a concrete answer, as an established identity on WordPress and on this thread, as to the legitimacy of Words of Worth. I’m not overly concerned, understand, but i hate to leave these loose threads dangling.

    Wish me luck!

    • Thanks for your comment Dan. I’ve been waiting to hear back from those who have submitted work to WoW too. It seems this conversation tends to draw people in. I Googled Words of Worth and this post is second in the listing so it’s no wonder people click here out of interest.

      I wish you the best of luck Dan. And yes, please do share your success or failure story if you have time. I hope it’s not failure though. Best of luck with your endeavour!

      • Well, I got an email back last night accepting me as a writer. Now comes the waiting game, I suppose- although I was surprised at how quickly this part of the process took place, given previous comments.

        Will continue to keep you updated!

  21. Hi Dave
    Just to update you – I received an email back in February 2012 to say that I had been accepted as a writer and that they would place me on their waiting list. They did warn that, depending on demand, there could be a lengthy wait- possibly up to five months. It’s now August and no further contact…

    Val

    • Wow, sounds like it can really run on. I submitted my sample article last night and am waiting for yea or nay. Keep us informed, Valerie!

    • Good news Valerie! Glad to hear that! Big cheer for you. From what I’ve learnt since I first posted this back in July 2011 (I had to scroll waaaay up the page to find the date!) is that WoW do attract a lot of writers so it’s understandable that some may have to wait considerable time before they’re requested to submit articles. I’ll keep my fingers crossed for you that something comes up soon.

      I’d love to hear how it goes.

  22. Hi Guys, Just to reassure you all, I am one of the people that you all seem to wonder about – someone who has written for WoW!! Great people to deal with and yes they do pay the agreed amount, on the agreed date and no arguments.
    As for giving up your intellectual rights to the pieces you write for them, let’s be serious for a minute these are SEO articles not literature or original research! For example 80 articles of 400 words about radiators for a company in Scotand is not something you will be referencing in your bid to sell the magnum opus to an agent.
    It isn’t easy, bearing in mind that each article has to be original, and it can be tedious but I always got paid.

    Jude

  23. Hi Dave, it took me ages to get to the bottom of this list of comments! I’m here for the same reason as anyone else-I wanted to know if the company was legit. My questions have been answered really, I’m interested to hear how it goes for the writers who have been accepted or are on the waiting list. Right now WoW aren’t even taking submissions from UK writers so lord knows how long I’ll be waiting!

    Anita

    • Hey Anita, thanks for your comment. This post sure has attracted a lot of attention. I had the same worries as you, and whilst I haven’t submitted anything to WoW, I am satisfied they’re a legit company. Also because they’re so popular I think they do have a long waiting list and can only accept work from a limited number of writers.

      I wish you the best of luck!

    • Val, thanks for checking in. I promised I would, too, so here I am! I submitted a sample piece and, a couple months later, received communication that they’d like to have me work with them. I was otherwise occupied at that point and declined, which they acknowledge with good grace. Although the entire process was fairly drawn out, I didn’t get the impression that there was anything underhanded about any of it.

      I think it likely, as Jude pointed out above, that we’re looking at a legitimate – but not lucrative or brand-building – business here. I really think their secretive approach to things probably hurts them much more than it does them any good, but that’s a marketing criticism rather than any sort of concern about their integrity.

      Bottom line, there are so many better ways to derive an income that will also allow for professional exposure and portfolio-building, but this is almost definitely not a scam. While I appreciate what Jude expressed, it’s my inclination to think that a producer of any sort of unique product should receive acknowledgement and long-term credibility from their craft, regardless of size or content. It’s not an ethical contention per se, but something that ultimately turns me right off of the system employed by the folks over at WoW.

      Thanks to everyone who’s come back to share – this has got to be one of the longest-running comment threads I’ve actively engaged with 🙂

      Cheers, Dan

  24. One further note, to put my above comment in perspective. The reason I turned down my offer from WoW was not even so much because of the privacy/ownership policies, but because I realised that with some time and hassle, there was much better value to be had elsewhere.

    I tend to make between USD 0.10 – 0.20 /word these days, and was doing so within months of applying to WoW. It’s a different ballgame, of course – I subcontract from a couple larger business owners and solicit the rest of my business – but I also get full professional credit on probably 80% of my work.

    Put in enough time doing brand-friendly work, even when it doesn’t pay well (or at all), and you’ll make connections that will allow you to earn what your words are REALLY worth 🙂

    • Dan, I agree with you on about the weird secretive nature of their business, and though I do understand their reasons I think it would make sense to use a business address to solve the issue of potentional writers sensing a dodgy scheme and staying away. There are lots of business centres where you can use conference facilities, mailbox, phone number and emply the services of an assistant on an ad hoc basis.

      Since my initial post I’m happy to say I was proved wrong, or at least was given an explanation why WoW wasn’t as dodgy as I first thought. However, I still think giving writers credit for the work shouldn’t be that much of an issue. After all there are countless articles written every day where credit is given to the writer, so this shouldn’t be the big issue WoW make it out to be.

      On the other hand, there are always plenty of people willing to write and submit their work without that credit, so I guess it comes down to what you are prepared to surrender to earn money.

      And yes, Dan is right, there are lots of avenues open for good writers who are given credit for their work and get paid at the same time. All it takes is time and patience.

  25. I’ve been churning out content mill stuff for 2.5 years without being credited as the writer, and it’s not a problem for me – comes with the territory. I wouldn’t want my name associated with much of the stuff I’ve had to do, anyway.

    Arrived here while researching WoW, as I don’t want to waste time writing even short, simple content if it’s not going to yield any benefit. Glad you’re keeping the thread alive, Dave.

    I suspect from what I have read here that applying to WoW is a waste of time. It would seem either a) they have enough writers to meet their customers’ needs, b) they have very few customers, or c) a combination of both. That’s just an opinion, not a statement of fact.

    Their News items at the top of their web pages have not been updated since 2011, and comments on the pages are also really old, so it looks as if little is happening there. I would advise people to look elsewhere for paid writing opportunities.

    • After reading your comment Bill, I thought I’d have another gander at their website. Googled it and found two listings, a .co.uk and .org version which you’d think would lead to the same place. Opening both in separate tabs there is a difference when you switch back and forth. Weird.

      Looking at their source code it seems they’re running different websites, using WordPress as a content management system I noticed.

      You’re right, there’s little news going on, though they have different sorts of news on each website. The .org version has a “recent” news item from November 2011 and the .co.uk version has one from November 2013. Either way it’s clearly a slow news…er, year? Decade?

      I agree with your opinion, seems they’ve either scaled back their need for writers or they don’t have enough customers to keep writers sending stuff in. As this thread has grown it seems that a number of hopeful writers have had fewer responses.

      I was quite surprised to see a link to this thread on the number 3 listing in Google for Words of Worth searches. I never expected so many people to comment on this post. Still, if it’s helping folks understand a little more about WoW and the subject of uncredited writing for cash, well, I’m happy with that!

  26. This thread really is running and running isn’t it?

    To answer some of the questions which have cropped up – we do have enough UK writers, and haven’t opened applications for new UK writers in the last few years. We have a large waiting list of writers and have many active writers now. We are still looking for writers from the US and Canada especially as we have high volumes of work available and they do seem harder to recruit.

    Our websites, the .co.uk and the .org, don’t get updated much as they’re just tools for recruitment. Once writers come on board with us all correspondence, including the accepting and fulfilment of briefs, is done via our writer’s system.

    The issue of the credit, as I have explained before, isn’t for some underhand reason, or because we want to retain credit ourselves, it’s because we write ‘on behalf’ of our clients, so the credit and copyright remains with them.

    Writers can absolutely earn more elsewhere, including writing freelance for clients direct, and we accept that. Our writers like us because we can offer high volumes and we always pay, and on time. You won’t find any blogs or complaints online from people saying they haven’t been paid by WordsofWorth, which is something we can’t say about many companies who offer writing work via the web. Even if our clients don’t pay us, or are late paying, we pay our writers first. Our reputation for that is important to us.

    We welcome any new applications for writers from outside the UK and, even though the process is slow, we do get back to everyone.

    Thanks for reading 🙂

    • Hi Jake, welcome back and thanks for answering some questions visitors here have been asking. I’m happy to see you’re still thriving as I started to wonder after Bill pointed out the news section of your website seemed rather sparse.

      Yup, I do understand your reasons for not awarding credit to writers, and what you say makes sense. It’s reassuring to see you pay your writers in a timely fashion even when your clients may be late. I hope that new visitors to this post will read through this rather long thread and make a decision to approach you with open eyes.

      I’m sure I’ve said this before but initially I was put off the idea of not being given credit for my own writing, though over time I’ve come to appreciate your reasons for this. I think there will always be a balance between those who value being given credit, and those who are happy to earn money without it.

      I’m pleased to see a new update on your news page about UK writer applications remaining closed unless they have a unique knowledge base. I was going to mention it could be a good idea to put something up there about this, but you beat me to it!

      http://www.wordsofworth.co.uk/uk-writer-applications-remain-closed-135.html

      In case any new visitors to this post are interested in writing for Words of Worth. And for what it’s worth there’s a detailed FAQ list on their website too:

      http://www.wordsofworth.co.uk/faqs

  27. An outstanding share! I’ve just forwarded this onto a coworker who has been doing a little research on this. And he actually ordered me dinner because I discovered it for him… lol. So allow me to reword this…. Thank YOU for the meal!! But yeah, thanks for spending some time to discuss this topic here on your web site.

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